tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4817488808342083958.post3874162212465392615..comments2023-05-18T08:23:57.660-07:00Comments on a voice in Oakland California: Report back from the California Progressive Alliance Don Macleayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17083015728635699181noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4817488808342083958.post-69586808243685015172019-05-22T16:47:20.126-07:002019-05-22T16:47:20.126-07:00Karen,
For the members who were not part of the ...Karen, <br /><br />For the members who were not part of the steering committee there really were no choices other than vote yes or no. <br /><br />We were not consulted as to what would be brought to this convention in any way. Nor was there any lead time for discussions. Most of the proposals were made available a couple days before the event, at most. <br /><br />Not allowing amendments unless the "owner" of a proposal agreed to them is shutting down a basic function of any convention or legislature. <br /><br />The discussion time was zero, so all we got was people selling their proposals in a long, exhausting session where dissent or opposition did not have time on the schedule, nor was it welcome. <br /><br />When I look at the sum of theese process limitations, I felt that it was "decision" in name only, without debate. <br /><br />Maybe others find that to be consensus, but I felt that it was managed and not democratic in practice. Don Macleayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083015728635699181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4817488808342083958.post-44527135429605785092019-05-22T15:21:04.309-07:002019-05-22T15:21:04.309-07:00Hi Don. Thanks - great report! Did not understand ...Hi Don. Thanks - great report! Did not understand this, tho (could you explain? sounds like regular consensus process to me so I don't get what's "managed" about it, disempowering, or undemocratic; what would "having a choice" mean as opposed to handling proposals including amendments? Did you want 2 proposals instead?):<br />“Asking the proposer if they accept an amendment” is not empowering. Real democracy is about having a choice, not a managed choice. Karen in NorCalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12073211879418765645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4817488808342083958.post-84145223799786591802019-05-09T13:46:21.836-07:002019-05-09T13:46:21.836-07:00Great analysis, Don. I really appreciate it and wi...Great analysis, Don. I really appreciate it and will be passing it on to others with whom I have talked about the newly-formed CPA. It's been great working with you also in our newly-formed CPA action team for a California Green New Deal.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15648517448875902118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4817488808342083958.post-83847608542245079372019-04-07T21:21:40.462-07:002019-04-07T21:21:40.462-07:00Brilliant! Thank you, DonBrilliant! Thank you, DonAnitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16820495691304808011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4817488808342083958.post-227682048674377462019-04-07T09:27:58.457-07:002019-04-07T09:27:58.457-07:00Thank you for providing this report and analysis D...Thank you for providing this report and analysis Don.Jonathan Nackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00363720313106137105noreply@blogger.com